From: Kerimäki,Finland
Registered: July 10, 2001 Posts: 3
posted
Thanks Gav
I'm running Win 98, after installation I checked System properties and my hardware section it said that Mia is running fine with the new drivers 6.00, checked the start up no shotcuts to console.
Then decided to install the old drivers..and dadaa now there are two blue M letters on the bottom of the screen... hihhiii Two consoles... I got rid of the other one cause figured that I would manage with just one MIA console...
I know I just probably screwed up something I'm going to just try to intall it again.
From: Tilburg, The Netherlands
Registered: December 01, 2001 Posts: 10
posted
Layla with same problems..
Hi all..
I just started reading this topic tonight, so you might call that a little late.. I'm using a Layla20 under WinXP. Until now, I have experienced the very same problems as all you guys.. While I was reading the thread, I tried the suggested solution of turning off the console (I *never* even would have thought about that..). And, guess what, it worked! Since then, no clicks or pops at all! And I always thought it was the mains here, together with the fridge..
Main point of my post: Layla20 seems to have the same problem!
quote:Originally posted by Martin Walker: Oh dear! I've experienced a few clicks and pops as well, for the first time since I installed my replacement card, until I removed the Echo Console. If anything the problem seems worse for me than with the 5.58 drivers.
I'll pass on the news to Echo.
Good job we haven't been holding our breath - we'd all be blue in the face by now Martin
Hi Martin, It is almost 5 months now since my initial post. Have Echo responded in the last month?
From: Cornwall, UK
Registered: November 30, 2000 Posts: 4377
posted
Echo have not replied
Not a word - and I've included UK distributors Arbiter in the chain as well, who've emailed them on several occasions. Echo simply won't reply on this particular issue, and seem to think that they've sorted the problem, despite evidence to the contrary.
I'll have another go though, but I suspect that when I receive the next Echo soundcard for review they might be slightly more helpful (does that sound cynical?)
From: W.Mids, UK
Registered: January 03, 2001 Posts: 122
posted
A silent echo...
Hi guys.
I must say this has been a stunning thread, one of the most helpful I have ever come across, but unfortunately I’m now out of here…
I bought the Mia shortly after Martin’s review and clicked until I found this thread and disabled the console. Sadly neither this, nor the new driver has cured the other two problems I have with Mia:– 1. Occasionally on booting up my PC simply can’t find the card, and 2. Wavelab regularly and randomly loses sync with the card clock, frightening the s**t out of both me and my monitors.
As computer users we all have some notion of the difficulties hardware manufacturers must face in releasing problem-free kit, in fact I think the patience you guys have shown demonstrates this. Along with this realisation though, as customers I feel we deserve a degree of recognition and support from the manufacturer when widespread and fundamental problems arise. In this case Echo have simply not delivered the goods.
From: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Registered: January 09, 2002 Posts: 3
posted
Is this still a problem?? e-mailed tech support at echo(with reference to this thread in the forum) to find out if it was and this what they said: _________________________________________________ Sorry for the delay in response. Yes, I am familiar with this thread on the SOS forums. Its actually a pretty old issue here. This is something that Martin Walker from SOS turned us on to when the Mia was first hitting the market.
We did find a small problem with the original Mia drivers when it first hit the market last spring. This was been taken care of with new drivers last Summer. Hope that helps. __________________________________________________
Just wondering if anyone is still having the click/pop problem because I'm thinking about buying an Echo Mia??
Been following this one closely.Held off on a purchase too.Echo just lost my business,and anybody elses that I come across who ask me for a recommendation too.
quote:Originally posted by Seesh: Is this still a problem?? e-mailed tech support at echo(with reference to this thread in the forum) to find out if it was and this what they said: _________________________________________________ Sorry for the delay in response. Yes, I am familiar with this thread on the SOS forums. Its actually a pretty old issue here. This is something that Martin Walker from SOS turned us on to when the Mia was first hitting the market.
We did find a small problem with the original Mia drivers when it first hit the market last spring. This was been taken care of with new drivers last Summer. Hope that helps. __________________________________________________
Just wondering if anyone is still having the click/pop problem because I'm thinking about buying an Echo Mia??
We have ALL tried the "NEW" drivers. The consensus remains.
The clicks are STILL there. In my opinion Echo have NOT solved the problem.
The ONLY work-around that we know of is to CLOSE/EXIT the Mia Console when doing any serious work.
When you install the v6 WDM drivers the Echo Console is NOT open by default. Maybe this is what Echo are referring to as the "solution" which they have taken care of. It is NOT as solution it is a work-around.
The v6 drivers for W98 are actually closer to the v5.58 drivers. Here the Mia-Console is OPEN by default and the clicks/pops are sure to manifest under these conditions.
From: Preston UK
Registered: August 15, 2001 Posts: 586
posted
Interesting...
...that on another thread someone was recommending the Mia. Do we know whether the problems are just with one batch or is it likely that, if I bought one today, I would get all this hassle too?
From: Ģцĩľđƒδŕď Ŝџяŕёγ €лģΙάηđ
Registered: April 12, 2001 Posts: 8637
posted
My Mia hasn't exhibited the common crackles and pops, but rather some other interesting noise. This seemed to be cured with a reinstall of Windows. However I can't say I'm 100% happy with my Mia due to the dig in not appearing in SONAR 1.31 under Win98SE...
Perhaps I should create a poll of Mia users who have crackles and pops and those who don't and thier respective PC configs - somewhat a large poll!
quote:Originally posted by BadgieBoy: Do we know whether the problems are just with one batch or is it likely that, if I bought one today, I would get all this hassle too?
BadgieBoy, the only people who can HONESTLY answer this question are Echo Audio themselves. Echo!! I invite you to join this forum. Please, PLEASE!
Gav, The poll is a good idea. It will help us reach some sort of "scientific" conclusion,
Hello :-) I would of posted sooner,i only just found this thread cos i havnt visited here for a while,its great that you guys have got together to try and sort these problems out. Ive been using my Mia for about 6 months now,and i have some of the same problems too.Once every few days or so the right output channel dies,and i have to rapidly move the analogue out volume slider up+down on the mia console,or re boot to sort it out.Also,every now and then i hear an almighty screaching noise,which appart from scareing the £$£$ing life out of me in the early hours and almost deafening me,can only be got rid of by turning off my pc.I also get random clicks,but not too often,and i have the useless midi driver thing too.I tried the v.6.00 drivers but they seemed to make things even worse:-( I bought a Mia because i thought it was the only decent card that would work ok on my athlon with a kt133 chipset.Its a real shame that Echo seems to be one of those companies that likes to pretend these problems dont exist,that kind of 'sweep it under the carpet and it'll go away'attitude,or is it a 'sell as many as we can,dissapear with the money,and onto the next project'type thang.Hopefully you guys at echo will prove me wrong and let us all know whats being done about our Mia problems,without any BS.
From: Ģцĩľđƒδŕď Ŝџяŕёγ €лģΙάηđ
Registered: April 12, 2001 Posts: 8637
posted
Noel,
Firstly, welcome to the SOS Forum!
Your situation sounds much like what I've been through with my Mia on KT133. I presume you're using Win98SE (or similar) and not 2k/XP. What I've found has helped matters is a fresh install from a "format c: /S". I know this can be a bit daunting, but most pro's would agree that it can often solve some obscure problems.
I'll give the Mia Poll a go, so I hope I have enough catagories!
Hi guys... just found this thread thanks to Magnus, it's nice to know i'm not alone with this Mia thing. However, my problems go worse than just pops and clicks. When recording in Logic i get breaks in the recording and loads of static etc... really bad. I basically can't use it for recording.
I've tried everything to sort it, but with no luck. I'm considering buying a new motherboard to see if this sorts the problem. Can anybody recommend one that works with their Mia??
ps. Magnus, i read you post about the Hightpoint controller, but unfortunately, my board doesn't have the raid controller on it
From: Ģцĩľđƒδŕď Ŝџяŕёγ €лģΙάηđ
Registered: April 12, 2001 Posts: 8637
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Have you read my poll on where the problems with the Mia might lie?
Results so far indicate your best bet is to try it on a PIII (or try a non Via chipset for AMD). How soiled is your Windows installation? I've had problems with a well used Win98 install which went away after re-formatting...
From: London UK
Registered: January 24, 2002 Posts: 314
posted
Making bone soup outta clicks and pops!!
This link helped cure my clicks and pops follow the avi's they're only italian on the desktop page. http://www.albertorizzoschettino.com/ I'd advice leaving the vcache alone but its up to you. Its just i found VST done a scan of my system on install and optimized vcache for me. Windows comes setup for web surfing and word not sequencing with soft synths. These tweaks should solve your prob to a large degree if not it may be a driver or hardware problem. Possibly even a slow cpu.
From: Stockholm, Sweden
Registered: December 18, 2000 Posts: 815
posted
Hi Eugusto!
I understand you mean well. However, people really are having probs with clicks and pops on their Mias - and that's not because they are absolute beginners...
Also, there are very good optimising sites on the web, RME has a good one. The one you recommend seems a bit outdated, judging by the following:
"It can be useful to turn graphic acceleration off to improve performances."
This will actually slow down performance, putting a greater load on the CPU.
Perhaps you are the one who's making bone soup out of pops and clicks...
From: London UK
Registered: January 24, 2002 Posts: 314
posted
pops
Well my friend not all on that site was rellevant but taking off special fx's graphics. setting my virtual memory and some of the others made things better for me. I dont believe in setting v cache or the cd rom thing. Maybe your right i've put my graphics acceleration back up. But differerent setups will respond differently. I have an m audio which produced pops and clicks and untill i followed some of those guidlines on that site it was terrible. Ok maybe the mia is just a crap card? Who knows? But there is some underlying things in windows where when you first install its not optimized for DAW am i right. After all the guy was not showing us how to optimize windows 3.11 Anyway if im covering covered ground and there are other things you or RME can bring to our attention then please put the url next time. Lastly you may know what alberto had to say but it wasnt you with the problem.
The Mia is not a crap card, it's very good - but some people are having problems with it. And yes, it's a good idea to tweak your system for audio use...
From: Philadelphia, PA USA
Registered: February 28, 2002 Posts: 3
posted
The deafening screeching noise out of the blue happened to me last night. It was the second time. My ears are still in serious pain this morning and I can't hear very well out of my right ear.
I just spoke to my sister, a lawyer at one of the top firms in Philadelphia, PA (USA), and we're looking into a lawsuit if I don't get my hearing back to 100%.
no clicks and pops, but random stopping (buffering?) of audio
Hello, softsynths don't suffer from this, but samplers (HALion and The Grand) and audio do.
I'm using 6.02 WDM drivers on WinME. MOBO: Intel 850GBCAL RAM: 256MB Rambus (800Mhz) HDD: Seagate 7200 RPM 80Gb CPU: Intel P4 1.3Ghz own IRQ (3) SEQ: Cubase VST 5.1
When ever I try to set latency of less than (1024 asio buffers) 25ms (which is way too high for softsynths and MIDI) I get random stops on the music, yes pauses of like .5-1 sec, it seems that the WDM ASIO driver is buffering or something, 'cause I can see HDD activity in the moment it starts. This does happen when using the VxD drivers with which I can get as low as 7ms latencies.
My hardware is fairly fast, so I see no real reason for this to be happening. Other audio apps work fine, I will test standalone softsynths and also other sequencers.
I have not yet tested shutting down the console and tray app (I have just come across this forum).
From: London, UK
Registered: December 11, 2000 Posts: 928
posted
Excellent opportunity
quote:Originally posted by Ben Sarka: I still have to admit that it is wrilly strange that our MIA cards work perfect fine under our OS... No pops, clicks, nothing... 128 buffer...
Wrilly chrange...
To prove that your OS is as good as you claim - give a copy to one of the many people here suffering from MIA clicks and pops and let them see if it solves the issue.
From: London, UK
Registered: December 11, 2000 Posts: 928
posted
You're implying that your OS (IMOS) solves clicks etc. Give one of the people here who are having problems with their MIA a copy of your OS; if it solves the problem, we'll all be impressed and they'll be very pleased. If it doesn't, then your claims of a revolutionary solution are disproved. If you aren't prepared to risk it, then you clearly have no confidence in your own product, and so neither should we.
This is such an excellent opportunity for you to make us all eat our words - will you take the challenge?
From: Espoo Finland
Registered: March 18, 2002 Posts: 28
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Kevin, you are wellcome to Finland. yes we can show you how to run MIA in lowest buffer size with bundle of plugs +GIGA. also youcan checkout how outdated winMe outperform XP and other exotics...
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